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How did the universe arise? Modern science hasn’t a clue.
Would you like to have an insight into the thinking of the daughter of one of the world’s most prominent atheists? Then read this article. It pertains to the daughter of Bertrand Russell, the famed British philosopher.
Must read! One of the most prominent atheists from a bit closer up.
Anonymous asked: What's your opinion on the big bang cosmology,my friend says it cuts out God completely whilst I see it as going hand in hand with the Bible,The editor of the prestigious weekly science periodical, Nature,John Maddox,wrote an editorial entitled, "Down with the Big Bang,"where he hoped for the downfall of the Big Bang model, because in it,he found it to be "philosophically unacceptable" and believes, theological creationists find "ample justification" for their creationist creed in it
I don’t believe in the Big Bang theory. I don’t believe it is compatible with the Biblical account of creation. There are quite a few big differences.
For instance, the Bible says that God created the universe in six literal days. The Big Bang theory teaches that the universe evolved over billions of years.
The Bible says that God created the Earth before the stars. The Big Bang theory teaches the exact opposite.
The Bible says that the earth was first entirely covered in water, but the standard secular model says that the earth began as a molten blob.
When compared to the Bible, the big bang just doesn’t really match up. There’s not a whole lot in the Bible that would suggest the big bang ever happened, however there are quite a few differences that would make it clear they’re not very compatible.
Hope this helped!
God bless. :)
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Anonymous asked: I read one of your responses to someone's question about your worry of hell, and I was wondering if you think we believe God sends people to hell because they chose the wrong religion? I'm a hardcore Catholic and I know that's not the nature of God. He doesn't send souls to hell, they go themselves because they don't want to be with him.
Good grief, the “they send themselves” argument. This can be resolved easily.
- Is your god “all-powerful”? The theist’s answer - yes, of course. My god can do anything!
- Is your god “all-knowing”? The theist’s answer - yes, my god knows all there is to know, past, present and future, all that is seen and unseen!
- Does anything happen that is not according your god’s plan? The theist’s answer - not a single thing that happens is not part of his divine plan, we are all in the palm of god’s hand!
- In that case, your god is capable of creating people who will not disobey him and he does not. Your god is able to see what each person will do and it is all according to his plan, so ultimately your god is responsible for every single soul in the hell he himself created. The theists’s answer - I hate logic, it makes me look like a damn fool.
You’re not foolish, but this type of logic is often wasted who minds live outside of it’s confines. The logic above (as I’m sure you know) is usually met with screeches of either ‘omg but free will!!!!’ or ‘omg but satan!!!!’ - as if those things somehow negate those 4 four points, which they don’t, but in the mind of the theist - they somehow make it work.
From what I can tell, most of modern christianity revolves around trying to reinterpret scripture to try and create patches between logic, and deistic fantasy and to make doctrine fit with current world knowledge. The desperation makes me sad, not in a smug way, but just in thinking about all the wasted brain power, all the ideas these minds could be having if they weren’t dedicated to confirming their delusions.
Hey guys. :) Just to put in my two cents worth, as soon as I read this I instantly thought of one of my favorite quotes about free will from my favorite author.
“God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong, but I can’t. If a thing is free to be good it’s also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata -of creatures that worked like machines- would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they’ve got to be free.
Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently, He thought it worth the risk. (…) If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will -that is, for making a real world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings- then we may take it it is worth paying.” -C.S. Lewis
Not that it’s going to change any minds or anything, but I just thought I would share.
Told ya yuki, there’s that screeching of free will…
Not meaning to be rude here, but an argument hasn’t actually been made against the ‘screeching’ of free will, ears have simply been blocked. If one of you atheists had a spare minute I’d appreciate seeing a fuller response from an atheistic perspective (:
Free-will means that the answers to 1/ and 2/ are ‘yes, but God chooses to use his power and knowledge to enable humans to make choices’, the answer to 3/ becomes ‘no, God’s ‘plan’ takes the form of ‘general moral policies and procedures’ rather than like the ‘plan’ for how, say, a car engine will work with every step planned out in detail.’ 4/ consists of the proposition that God could have made humans to obey him perfectly (which is untrue, he could have made ‘creatures’ which would’ve fit such a criteria but not ‘humans’ because the freedom to choose is a central anthropological tenet) and the deduction that therefore God wanted people to go to hell. Whilst the deduction is valid from the above premises, I would contend that the argument is unsound because not all the premises are true.
Unfortunately, I’m not a fundamentalist and so I think that the propositional form of this argument is a misrepresentation of the God of the bible who has chosen to be revealed in the form of stories rather than propositions (although propositional statements about God can have some use).
I look forward to a response (:
yukithemeddler is exactly right. Of course men don’t send themselves to hell. A man can’t even send himself to prison; It takes a higher authority to do even that. The problem is a number of equivocation fallacies, a syndrome of neglected or mis-defined terms in our English Bibles . We erroneously define the Greek phrase “aeonios kolasis” as “eternal punishment”, the way Augustine and Tertillian did, and miss the true import of the phrase, which is “the correction of the coming age” —an age of absolute righteousness, which is about to impose itself upon this sin-weary world of ours. We erroneously define the three greek words, “hades” (simply the hidden realm of the dead, —no fire, no torture implied—), “gehenna” (purging place of putrid and decaying spiritual things —no man gets there unless he has first been separated from his body—), and “Tartarus” (a detention place for reprobate spirits until God’s righteous judgments make all things new), with the one English word “hell”. When God sends any man to hades, gehenna, or Tartarus, He does so in love, for their ultimate good and restoration. On top of all this error, we imagine hell the way Dante and Milton did, as if we were instructed, not by the Holy Spirit, but by mere pagans, who burned their offspring in literal fire to appease their angry demon/gods. But Jesus —O, bless his name!— is just what the Bible declares Him to be: the “Savior of all men, especially those who believe”! A good site for more clarity is hopebeyondhell.net
There are many differing christian beliefs regarding heaven and hell, yours is the idea that people make a choice to go to hell. Others say that only those who know and accept Jesus as their saviour will go to heaven. Others say only constant repentance can lead to heaven. Others say your works will be judged and they will determine if you enter heaven. Others say there are different levels of heaven for different people. Others say everyone goes to heaven. Other say everyone goes to hell. Others say anyone who has a strong faith in any god will go to heaven. Other say that those who have faith only in the god of their belief system will go to heaven. Other say that only those who are baptised will get in to heaven. And it goes on…
All of these different beliefs are supported by scripture. All are pretending to know things they don’t know, including your belief. I hope for your sake you have either chosen correctly (which I doubt) or that I am right and you have nothing to worry about.
My question is - why would a god interested in forging a relationship with me make his position so obtuse? The way God does business would be borderline criminal in the business world. There’s not even any fine print to READ, much less understand.
The fact there are some 40,000 versions of Christianity today, each with a good bead in what the exact Truth(tm) is and no one else, demonstrates much better than I ever could that the Bible is the worst users manual in history.
Skypig, if God’s position seems obtuse to you, if the Bible seems a dead or cruel book authored by mere men, or worse, by a cruel, genocidal monster-God, it may be that God —although He loves you and has your best interest in mind— is not interested in “forging” a relationship with you at this time. You used the word “forge”, which means, “to form by heating and hammering; to beat into shape… especially by concentrated effort…” -dictionary.com—
Perhaps you believe what so many are asserting today, that the Bible is a forgery: “a false or altered document in which the legal rights or obligations of another person are affected”. This is half right: Outside of Christ, you are your own master; You are free to live your life any way you please. If you become a Christian —and you may or may not know this— you become a bondslave; You lose all your rights and gain another Master.
If I may be so bold, since you, by self-report, “love freedom, good booze, better porn, tattoos and rational thought”, my advice is, don’t trouble your head about Jesus, or the Bible, or Christianity, with all of its problems, contradictions and sectarianism. Enjoy all the good things in life to the fullest. But know that —and millions will agree with me— Jesus is just what the Bible declares Him to be: ”The Savior of all men, especially those who believe”, and an “hour is coming… when (even) the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God… and live.” John 5:25
But wait, doesn’t that mean I’m going to hell?
Look, I’m a middle aged man who has been in law enforcement for two decades. I can’t even believe in my fellow man, much less an invisible entity that doesn’t deign to talk to me. But, if the Bible is right, I’m going to burn. What I’ve done with my life? Irrelevant. All that really matters is whether I’ve accepted Christ.
So, while I’m doing my thing, according to scripture I’m going to hell. I’m not convinced. Yet this God, who loves me and cares about me and who created everything there is for me and humanity, doesn’t care enough to make His case better. That’s it. It’s all I’m asking. Explain it. Convince me. I’m here, waiting to be convinced. But He can’t be bothered.
And because of that, I’m going to be punished. This is, to use the technical term, fucked up.
I think I’m understanding you better, Skypig. Your questions are fair and worthy of careful, thoughtful responses. I have great respect for any man who can survive 20 yrs in law enforcement. I have a pretty simple job. I install internet in peoples homes, but the coolest job I ever had was when I was an emergency mental health clinician. By the time I arrived on the scene to make an assessment, the police had already done the hard, dirty, and sometimes bloody work, yet they were always professional, diplomatic and self-controlled. I know they had a very tough job.
I also know it is utter futility to try to convince a man who’s seen the sordid side of human nature that close up that a God who hides Himself is good, let alone worthy of worship. But the same God who hides Himself —it cannot be denied— also reveals Himself, and has revealed Himself to countless Christians through millinea. But fallen men don’t perceive spiritual truths well. Why should we expect them to? Some in Jesus day heard a voice from heaven; others said, “It thundered”. John 12:28-30 Some received Jesus as the “Savior of the world”; others said, “Is not this the carpenter’s son?” John 4:42, Matt. 13:55 In some towns He healed all that came to Him; In others, he could do no great work, according to their lack of faith. Mat.4:24; Mk.6:5
I admire your repulsion against injustice, but even that is evidence for the existence of God. I’m borrowing from the Christian apologists now. It is logically incoherent to protest against injustice if we’re all cosmic dust, lost in a universe of pure chance, living lives that have no ultimate meaning. Your objection against injustice only has a rational foundation in a theistic worldview. As a Peace Officer, you know that objective moral values, such as ”the strong should protect the weak”, and “its wrong to steal”, are universal. They apply to everyone, as does the law you swore to uphold. But where do objective moral values come from? They exist because God exists and are, in fact, an extension of His holy character.
The reason you will continue to “trouble your head about Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity”, in spite of its problems, (apparent) contradictions and sectarianism, is because you have the image of God within you, and you know that all the good things in this life, enjoyed to the fullest, cannot ultimately satisfy. It may be, then, that you and I were created for more noble purposes: to reflect God’s glory here, now, and throughout coming ages.
I will attempt to answer your questions. As I stated earlier in this post, there are three Greek words that have been translated “hell”: “Hades” is one of them.
For now, know that hades simply means “hidden” and refers to the unseen realm of the dead —no fire, no torture implied. Farmers used to “hell” their potatoes, which simply meant bury them out of sight. Christianity teaches what we all know: that men sin. We offend God’s righteous standard, and for that, we too shall be “helled”; That is our just punishment. “The wages of sin is death”. Isn’t that what we observe in the world today? But the wages of sin is NOT eternal torment. That is bad theology. That is a misrepresentation of the heart of God. All have sinned, and therefore all die. What is God’s solution? To work out all these things for our good, and to raise all humanity to a greater, more glorious existence in Christ:
"AS in Adam all die, EVEN SO in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Cor. 15:22
It is perfectly natural for fallen men to doubt all that is above them. What is God’s solution?
”God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.” Romans 11:32
I can’t speak to the nature of Hell other than what the bible says. It’s a place of torment and fire and destruction. Cites upon request. Although isn’t Torments where souls like mine go first? Sounds a lovely neighborhood.
But ethics and morality? That I will speak on. The “morality” in the bible is one I’ve literally spent my entire life fighting. I’ve personally stopped a gang rape, murder, armed robberies, and human trafficking, including sex slaves. All of which are permitted, encouraged and even instructed by God in the Bible. I am prepared to kill and die to stop these things. I’ve been shot at. I’ve been in two active shootings in the course of preventing these types of acts. I will not follow any God who instructs His people to commit them. In fact I will do my outmost to oppose them. That kind of moral authority is abhorrent to me, and I will never allow it to occur where I can do something about it. Ever.
Since you are concerned first and foremost in your replies, with fire, torments, and personal destruction, I will give you the bad news of Christianity.
"Every one shall be salted with fire, (purified)…
…and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. (preserved)”
So many atheist scholars who read the Bible today see nothing of putting our swords away, turning the other cheek, overcoming evil with good, receiving the little children, forgiving 70-times-7, loving our enemies, mercy upon all, etc. The eyes of atheists are blind to all this. Can you explain this contradiction?
I am no mere theist. I am no philosopher, although I believe men should be rational. I am a follower of Jesus, who left an empty tomb behind about 2,000 years ago. But some people seem to prefer to evade the Person of Jesus, remain about 4,000 years behind schedule, and erect a straw-man out of Old Testament ethics. Since you offered to cite verses, and since I’m here to learn, please defend your assertion that God encouraged and instructed gang rapes and human trafficking in the Old Testament. In this one thing, at least, we are agreed: Neither of us would follow an authority like that. I am a follower of Jesus. I recommend, to you and to everyone, a serious and objective study of —not only His ethics—, but His Life and His truth claims as well.
Yes the Old Testament. Is it your contention that God didn’t do the things attributed to Him? Permitted by Him? Done in His name?
Or does somehow the New Testament cancel out or correct what is allowed under God (not slavery though, that’s still in NT)? Was God wrong before? Was it a big mix-up? Whoops, got a little carried away? Because it is unequivocally discussed, permitted and instructed in the following:
Human trafficking -
2 Chron 28:8
Exodus 21:20-21 (beating of slaves)
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Numbers 31 7-18
Numbers 31 7-18 (again)
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (this one is particularly strange - hey, get raped then have to marry your rapist. We call that insult to injury)
Deuteronomy (Deuteronomy seems very concerned about rape) 21:10-14. This one can also apply as slavery
2 Samuel 12:11-14
Judges 5:30. Also slavery
Exodus 21:7-11. Again. Sensing a pattern here. Apparently god approved of sex slaves back in the day.
1 Samuel -5:2-3
And let’s not forget the Genocide of EVERYBODY except Moses’ family in Genesis 6-9.
The absolute violence of the OT cannot be negated by the sunshine and flowers of the NT. It cannot be ignored or dismissed.
I’m no prophet, but I did predict you would erect a straw-man out of Old Testament ethics and so it has come to pass. I only asked you to cite verses concerning your assertion that God encouraged and instructed gang rapes and human trafficking, which —I’m not trying to be rude— you have failed to do. Women “taken as wives” after victory in war is not “gang rape”; Transporting POWs is not human trafficking. I’m concerned because intellectual integrity is compromised by such misrepresentations.
We both believe in rational thinking. The first rule of debate is to honestly frame your opponents position in standard form and learn all you can from it. But instead of well reasoned arguments, atheists and Christians alike can resort to deceptive tactics, emotive intimidation, out and out lies. I’m not saying all atheists are this way, but all that I’ve encountered. Inundating me with a reference page from the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible is just another intimidation tactic, a red herring.
"God commanded genocide in the Old Testament, therefore God is bad"
— is an inductive argument. That means more information could be added that would change the conclusion, and vindicate God. What that information would be is uncertain, but you and I are not omniscient. Philo believed that the image of God within man could suffer such denigration as to destroy worlds. Maybe it was either the Canaanites, or the whole world. Maybe death for them was a restful and merciful release. We don’t know what is on the other side, if anything. Maybe the rabbis and Christian theologians who believe “the sons of God” and the ”daughters of men” intermingled and an evil race of supergiants were sired were right. We don’t know. All Christians believe, whether they know it or not, that the gospel, and the revelation of Christ, added to whatever else we formerly knew of God, has been enough to vindicate Him as a God of love. My point is your vitriol is unfounded. You should be more humble. All you have is an inductive argument. We all know very little of the supernatural, not even enough to deny it. Feigning moral outrage at the scruples of God is another tactic, and unconvincing.
But here is where I marvel: How can atheists like yourself, with so much knowledge of the Old law and the history of the Jews at your fingertips, be so blind to the New law, and the history of Christians? The Jew, —made peculiar in the flesh by a circumcised foreskin, became God’s chosen vessel to wage effective warfare against gigantic evils in an ancient world. Up from slavery, trained in a wilderness, they were the underdogs. Only by a supernatural power could they be victorious over such mighty, fortified peoples who, presumably, filled the earth with violence.
The Christian, —made peculiar in the spirit by a circumcised heart, is now God’s chosen vessel to wage effective warfare in the heavenlies. And so we do. With spiritual weapons, not of this world, we demolish spiritual strongholds and every pretentious thought that exalts itself against the knowledge of God in Christ. Some atheists may regard us as their enemies, but they are not ours. Our enemies are not of this world. They are spiritual principalities and powers, the wicked rulers of darkness in high places who fill our world with wickedness, pain, and confusion by blinding men from the truth that is in Jesus. We Christians, too, are underdogs, but thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! 1 Cor. 15:57
You say that the Old Testament violence in the history of the Jews “cannot be ignored or dismissed”. And yet you ignore and dismiss the centuries of violence done against Christians. You have to bypass the history of the Christian faith to get to the Jewish age. Never once have I heard an atheist accurately acknowledge how the Church came to exist in history. ”Sunshine and flowers”? No, that is dishonest. The New Testament era began with a cross, with much blood and injustice, scourgings and executions. Stephen, one of the seven deacons of the Church at Jerusalem, was stoned in 34 A.D., looking through open heavens, his last words were, “Lord, lay not this sin to their charge.” James, son of Zebedee, died by the sword under Herod Agrippa. The executioner, seeing his faith and innocence, converted to Christianity and died with him. James, son of Alpheus, was thrown down from the temple, refusing to renounce his faith in Jesus; Mark the evangelist, dragged to death. I could go on and on, through all twelve Apostles, through the ten bloody persecutions the first Christians suffered under the Emperors of Rome. Too many atheists pretend to know nothing of all this, only “sunshine and flowers”. They must look the other way, because they know the atheist argument collapses in light of the supernatural emergence of the Christian Church. They hold “truth” before us like a magician holds up only the cards we’re meant to see, while palming the relevant card out of view.
Don’t be like them.